Jak często zmieniać olej w skrzyni, jaki olej do szpery?

[Tiger]

Pytanko jak w temacie, dodam że auto jest regularnie upalane i przejechałem już 50k na MTF.

[kenny]

Zgodnie z manualem.

[Tiger]

Zgodnie z manualem.

oczytany mądrala...

[LIO]

wogóle

[Motyl]

auto jest regularnie upalane

BUhahahahahaha - gdzie, kiedy, jak?? to wpadniemy ocenić czy to upalanie i czy przysługuje ci wniosek o wcześniejszą wymiane

[lukasz4d]

wymienialem co 40 teraz co 5 bo trykaja mi przeguby

[Furious]

Mi tez zaczely trykac.. to moze faktycznie olej wymienie bo auto jest regularnie upalanie - tak jak Tigera

[konrad]

co lejecie do trykajacych przegubow?

[Tiger]

auto jest regularnie upalane

BUhahahahahaha - gdzie, kiedy, jak?? to wpadniemy ocenić czy to upalanie i czy przysługuje ci wniosek o wcześniejszą wymiane

Kazdy poniedziałek po 19.00 lotnisko bemowo, zapraszam

[Tiger]

Wyciągając średnią z Waszych odpowiedzi: wymienie sobie, a co mi tam

[lukasz4d]

teraz mam milersa za moment bedzie motul .

[konrad]

teraz mam milersa za moment bedzie motul .

mineralny tak? zastanawiam sie czy te bardziej geste oleje nie maja jakos wplywu na zywotnosc synchronizatorow..

[rem36]

raczej dobrego wplywu nei maja ... ale z dugiej strony z odczuc wydaje mi sie ze mtf pod dluzszym upalaniu i rozgrzaniu przestaje dobrze ogarniac ale moze to tylko odczucia...

od typow z teamMF

After a comprehensive analysis, we can conclude that a large number of drivers out there use the completely wrong fluid. The lubrication system in the Honda transmission was designed to use engine oil, and this has not been changed for any of their transmissions. What this means is that, in order for the gears, shafts, bearings, hubs/sliders to be lubricated as intended, a low viscosity transmission fluid must be used, regardless of whether it is synchronous engagement or dog engagement.

Basically, you MUST use the correct transmission fluid in a Honda Transmission and should not use a performance gear oil as it is too thick and does more damage than good. Performance Gear Oils also lack the additives necessary for the smooth running of the synchronous engagement system, as well as a lot of them containining chemicals which disintegrate the brass synchro rings. This is not common knowledge because customers are led to believe marketing and/or technical advice related to your typically large hypoid transmissions, NOT your specialist Honda Transmission.

For most cases where the vehicle is an unmodified Street Car, the OEM Honda MTF (Manual Transmission Fluid) is more than adequate. The problem arises when you start putting either higher power or higher rpm shifting through the transmission. Not only must you still keep within the tolerances of the oem lubrication system, you must also protect the transmission from shock loads. Using Performance Gear Oil is the Number 2 Reason (after incorrect installation) that is directly responsible for most transmission failures (i.e the Cause), subsequently leading to a part failure (i.e the Symptom).

Unfortunately, most consumers tend to follow the advice of your so-called "Performance Specialist" who are only concerned about the symptoms, rather than the cause, and usually end up recommending big-brand (and often expensive) performance gear oils. This is a 100% NO GO on a Honda Transmission. Although GL4 & GL5 Rated Gear Oils contain shock protection additives, they are also too thick for the oem Honda lubrication system. The engagement system (synchronous vs dog) is irrelevant in this case. Lubrication is the key word here.

A basic analogy would be: Oil is your transmissions blood supply and needs to flow smoothly. Clog it up with cholesterol (i.e thick gear oil), and it will have a heart attack. Not enough Iron (i.e shock additives), and it will get anaemic/weak.

[konrad]

wlasnie sam nie wiem co robic, z jednej strony wszedzie pisza zeby uzywac tylko MTF'a do skrzynek hond, z drugiej producenci plytkowych zalecaja jazde tylko na bardziej gestych, glownie mineralnych.
wiec pewnie szpera zyje dlugo, ale kosztem calej reszty? to by tlumaczylo tez czemu mi tak szybko synchra polecialy

[Konrad84]

trzeba ogarnąć dwa układy smarowania

[rem36]

wlasnie sam nie wiem co robic, z jednej strony wszedzie pisza zeby uzywac tylko MTF'a do skrzynek hond, z drugiej producenci plytkowych zalecaja jazde tylko na bardziej gestych, glownie mineralnych.
wiec pewnie szpera zyje dlugo, ale kosztem calej reszty? to by tlumaczylo tez czemu mi tak szybko synchra polecialy

No jeszcze modne sa mixy 50/50 Ciekawe jakiego rodzaju uszkodzenia beda na synchornizatorach, sie kiedys rozbierze to sie obejrzy, ale nie wydaje mi sie zeby az tak je zniszczyl sam olej... niektorzy jezdza w swoich autach przez ilestam dziesiat tysiecy na olejach przekaldniowych bo takie im ktos kazal wlac i jakos te skrzynie chodza...


CO do ukladow smarowania to najlepiej miec oddzielnei skrzynei i dyfer

[Furious]

Hmm.. ja wlałem Motula 75W140, to w koncu nie wiem czy to dobry czy zły.

[konrad]

A szpere ATS'a masz na metalowych czy carbonowych plytkach? Do metalowych jak KAAZ, Spoon zalecaja mineralny 80W90 http://www.kaazonline.com/gearoil.html, do Ciebie chyba dobry bylby tez ten Motul http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-899-motul-gear-300-75w-90-racing-gearbox-and-differential-lubricant-100-synthetic-ester-based.aspx#productDetails:

All mechanical transmission, synchronised or not synchronised gearboxes, gearbox/differential, transfer gearboxes and hypoïd differentials without limited slip system operating under shocks, heavy loads and low revolution speed or moderate loads and high revolution speed.

albo ten http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-68953-motul-gear-300-75w-90-limited-slip-differential.aspx.

U mnie sa carbonowe plytki i zalecaja syntetyka Castrola SAF-JX 75W-140, ale chyba przesiade sie wlasnie na tego Motula FF co jezdzi u Ciebie

Edit:
ATS/ACROSS (Carbonetic) ma 75W-140/GL5 (syn) dla carbonowych i 85W-90/GL5 (mineral) dla metalowych http://www.a-t-s.co.jp/02lsd/lsdoil/index.html.

[konrad]

A tutaj komentarz z jednego forum bezposrednio od kogos z KAAZ:

First, we do not recommend usage of Synthetic type oil but the usage will not harm the unit either. The only reason we don't recommend synthetic is because it creates a film on clutch friction surfaces and our plates don't lock and slip smoothly. Use of synthetic oil normally create more chattering noise because the lock to slip and back to lock operation becomes more abrupt using synthetic. The oil may quite down the unit initially but once the oil viscocity goes down, the noise will noticeably get worse.

This information is from many of our road racing clients who run NASA and SCCA Touring Cars. "Redline MTL oil chews up Honda synchros." Maybe half of the guys running the Nasa US Touring Car series uses our oil and the other half use other brand oil (Redline, Royal Purple, Motul etc...).

Bottom line is that the choice is really up to the users. Synthetic oil will not harm the unit. We just don't recommend the usage. We have a user in the Bay area who buys our oil every other month for his road racing Civic and he doesn't even have our lsd unit. He just likes the shift feel with our oil so he keeps buying them. So the choice is up to you.
If you like the transmission feel using the Redline, you should keep using it.
We only use our own oil or the Torco Racing Oil from http://www.torcousa.com in our company race cars and also on the Time Attack Civic currently leading point in the Redline Time Attack Unlimited Front Drive Class (Driven by Tage Evanson).

[Furious]

ATS/ACROSS (Carbonetic) ma 75W-140/GL5 (syn) dla carbonowych i 85W-90/GL5 (mineral) dla metalowych http://www.a-t-s.co.jp/02lsd/lsdoil/index.html.

dzieki konrad, nie moglem znalezc info na jakim oleju powinien ATS jezdzic. ATSa mam raczej metalowego, chociaz nie wiem
No dobra i co ten 85W-90 to bedzie dobry na hondowskie synchra?

Z taka lepkościa i minerał to widze tylko zwykłego Mobila 85W90...
http://allegro.pl/mobil-mobilube-hd-a-8 ... 76942.html